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"[You] can't trust [blacks] -- it's just facts. It's just facts, you can't trust them. You can't trust them," Howard said.

Later, Klanspeople gather in the remote location for what they call a "cross lighting." It is legal in the woods, on private property. It is punishable with 10 years in federal prison if done on a black resident's lawn.

Torches were wrapped, the cross prepared. The air reeked of kerosene.

"This is what we call the Klan cologne," Howard said.

Howard explained the ritual that would unfold when evening came.

"Through lighting the cross we signify that the cross is the light of the world, and we purify our race and we purify our people. ... We're lighting crosses to let people know that America is in turmoil right now, and there is people here to protect the Ku Klux Klan, and that's what we're here to do."

His fellow Klansman, who asked not to have his face shown on camera for fear he'd be fired from his job, resumed preparations for the evening's rituals.

"You're wearing the robes of traditional terrorists, traditional haters," McFadden said.

"That's just the outlook that they want to give you," the man answered. "That ain't truth; not everybody was like that."

Did he think he was being a good Christian?

"Yeah, this is state of Christianity. This is our Christianity ... plain and simple."

His wife would become "naturalized" into the Klan tonight, a membership rite rarely seen by outsiders.

Howard said he let us in to show us that the new Klan is neither racist nor violent.

"I'm not saying that I don't like black people," he said, "I'm saying that I believe in racial segregation. I believe that we need to be separated. ... Let them set up their own state, where they belong, and give them their own homeland."

"You can't trust a black person as far as you can throw them," he said. "I believe that 100 percent."

"If your daughter, once she got older, came home and said, 'I want to go out with a black boy?'" McFadden asked.

Howard laughed and said, "I'm not going to say what I'd like to say on camera. But, I'd disown her. I'd disown her. I wouldn't have nothing else to do with her for the rest of my life."

Because of who she loved?

"If you love, you love someone of your own race. ... God decreed that. Jesus decreed that."

"I thought Jesus said love each other," McFadden said.

"Jesus said love your neighbor, if you read the Bible."

Howard said he gave his daughter a Klan robe when she was 8.

"She wants to be like her Daddy," Howard said. "You can't blame any child for wanting to be like their father. Any child would be. I wanted to be like my father. He was a Vietnam veteran. I love my dad. I always looked up to my dad, even though he's not always been there for me."

Did Howard consider himself a racist?

"I consider myself a white separatist. A bigot? No. A racist? That's fair; you could call me a racist. Because a racist is just somebody who is racially aware, that thinks about race."

Some might argue that media coverage of the Klan helps them and their ideas. Mark Potok has heard the argument many times.

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